Sony's CEO thinks $600 is a fair price

on blue ray .com the cheapest blue ray player is 1k ..its gonna be hard to get folks to understand the value of a 600 dollar system for the blue ray alone ..especially since weretalking about having to buy your dvd collection again but the value is there

and for what curse posted imo comp games were far more superior to platform for decades but as far as quality and depth alot of console games are catching up to computers ...graphics and what not arent even an issue any more ..still the largest divide between the two has always been the maturity lvl of players .. this is slowly being eroded too with the advent of online console play and easier to afford computer systems ..plus were at a time now where those that pioneered the computer gaming age are now buying computers for their kids ..its enevitable that eventually the two will be indistinguishable for better or worse
 
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http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/11/technology...dex.htm?cnn=yes

Here he is trying to justify the price of the new PS3 being $499/$599. Personally, I don't see it being worth that much, but hey, I am sure a lot of people are still going to buy it.
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what he fails to realize is that the PS3 is still just a gaming machine. No more, no less. It's all in it's games as to whether it will be worth purchasing. For example, if it is going to continue the playstation tradition of pumping out tons of games all with the same theme and almost none with original content, then the system will fall short.

Personally, I doubt I'll pick up a system unless they re-release Final Fantasy VII. IF they do that then to me the system is worth it.... if not..... as I said if they continue their tradition of releasing crap games then the system is going to suck.
 
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what he fails to realize is that the PS3 is still just a gaming machine. No more, no less. It's all in it's games as to whether it will be worth purchasing. For example, if it is going to continue the playstation tradition of pumping out tons of games all with the same theme and almost none with original content, then the system will fall short.

Personally, I doubt I'll pick up a system unless they re-release Final Fantasy VII. IF they do that then to me the system is worth it.... if not..... as I said if they continue their tradition of releasing crap games then the system is going to suck.
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Not trying to pick a fight...but you gotta admit, those two statements are quite funny together.


As for your opening statement, yes, I agree completely, it IS still just a game machine. Yeah, Blue-Ray machines are $1k a piece now, they won't be next year, and they certainly won't be that expensive 3-4 years from now.
 
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Not trying to pick a fight...but you gotta admit, those two statements are quite funny together.
As for your opening statement, yes, I agree completely, it IS still just a game machine. Yeah, Blue-Ray machines are $1k a piece now, they won't be next year, and they certainly won't be that expensive 3-4 years from now.[/b]
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correct but niether will the ps3 ..the ps3 is offering an advaned or next gen tech at well below the market norm... and a ps3 w blueray is more then a game machine is a player/writer too for blue rays much in the same way ps2 was for dvd ..im sure alot of us had ps2 and or xbox for our first dvd players

now a 1000 dollar blue ray is only a blue ray player but a 600 dollar ps3 plays games AND blueray

on a side note wonde how much blue ray movies will be ? ..were jsut getting to 10-20 dollar dvds lol gonna start all over with 40-50 again i hope not
 
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correct but niether will the ps3 ..the ps3 is offering an advaned or next gen tech at well below the market norm... and a ps3 w blueray is more then a game machine is a player/writer too for blue rays much in the same way ps2 was for dvd ..im sure alot of us had ps2 and or xbox for our first dvd players

now a 1000 dollar blue ray is only a blue ray player but a 600 dollar ps3 plays games AND blueray

on a side note wonde how much blue ray movies will be ? ..were jsut getting to 10-20 dollar dvds lol gonna start all over with 40-50 again i hope not
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very true as well, I don't see the PS3 dropping in price as much (percentage wise) as the blue-ray will in the next 3 years.

As for $40-50 Blue-Ray movies...lord, I hope not. I really, really, really have gotten used to Netflix/cheap DVD prices. Alas, I fear that you are right there as well.
 
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very true as well, I don't see the PS3 dropping in price as much (percentage wise) as the blue-ray will in the next 3 years.

As for $40-50 Blue-Ray movies...lord, I hope not. I really, really, really have gotten used to Netflix/cheap DVD prices. Alas, I fear that you are right there as well.
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very true you can get a 50 dollar dvd player now but not a 50 dollar ps2 hehe but its the bundling that makes it worth it i.e. the mutli use of cd dvd and games..ironicaly the same thing that makes it a value when its first released is what keeps the price a little higher longer ...either way we are mice ( or rats in noahs case ) and its the cheese :P
 
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very true you can get a 50 dollar dvd player now but not a 50 dollar ps2 hehe but its the bundling that makes it worth it i.e. the mutli use of cd dvd and games..ironicaly the same thing that makes it a value when its first released is what keeps the price a little higher longer ...either way we are mice ( or rats in noahs case ) and its the cheese :P
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So are you saying that $600 is justified in the PS3 case becuase the blue-ray is bundled as a game system? That I disagree with, the PS2 was bundled as a dvd player and a game system. However the DVD player was subpar by anyone standards, even compared to DVD players released at that time, so a subpar Blue-ray player coupled with a game system that has marginally better graphics as it's only improvement over it's predecessor is worth that much money?

It surely isn't to me.
 
BTW, for our friends in Europe:

PlayStation 3 will cost between €499 and €599 (Euros). That's somewhere between $613 to $736.

Playstation 3 will cost British buyers ?425 (pounds), or $803

Ho-Lee-Krap.

Hope they plan on selling a shitload of units in Japan.

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Perfectly put right here:
...Jack in the Box has announced that its new burger, the "Jumbo Jack 2" will be priced at $250 and contain a generous portion of "the finest Russian caviar."

Jack in the Box CEO Jack said, "I don't think it's an expensive burger. I think it's actually a cheap burger. If you think that that much caviar itself might be $300-$400, and we're coming in at only $250, it's a bargain."

But...I just wanted a burger.
 
A chart I found displaying the prices across nations:

PS3 Premium
[Country] [ USD ] [ EUR ] [ GBP ]
[US: 599] [=599=] [ 467 ] [ 317 ]
[Eur:599] [ 768 ] [=599=] [ 406 ]
[UK: 425] [ 803 ] [ 627 ] [=425=]
 
This is one hell of a deal. Its a good deal from a business standpoint AND a consumer standpoint. Most of the people bitching about the price tag are narrow minded, especially that gamer guy they quoted. His wallet wouldn't be crying if he took a basic economics class in high school. Think of the 360 as an Audi S4. That car is worth $40,000. Think of the PS3 as a BMW M3, which is worth around $50,000. They're both fast, sporty, banter new technologies, but the M3 is faster, has more cutting edge technology, is more reliable, and is much cheaper than any other car alternative to match or even beat it's speed and features. And since you can afford an S4, you probably have no problem spending an extra $10k to buy the M3. Therefore, if you can afford to spend $400, you can dish out $200 more.

Now lets approach this from a different standpoint. You might argue, "yeah, the core system is only $300." Say you do get the core system of the 360. You'll end up wasting at least 200-400 more in hardware upgrades to 1) play original xbox games, 2) save games, 3) play onlive via XBox Live Gold, 4) use voice chat in XBox Live, 5) buy the HD-DVD drive that Microsoft graciously will sell seperately later on this year so you can play even higher quality, more complex, and detailed games that will be coming out. Whereas with the PS3, you get all that built in with its basic system. All you're missing is wi-fi, a memory card reader, and HDMI, and of course, a bigger hard drive. Wi-Fi you can live without (as you've been living without it for the past (insert your age here) years when it comes to consoles. A memory card reader you can also live without, unless you have this huge urge to tarnsfer stuff between your PC and PS3 all the time, or maybe just take a saved game over to a friends house and play there (which doesn't make much sense, but anyway). HDMI is still many years away. It hasn't even made a dent in the TV market yet, and there really is no difference to the naked eye between HD and HDMI.

So, for $400 you can either get the loaded XBox 360 or the basic PS3. Just remember, that you will end up paying just as much as the bigger PS3 version in the end because you will be forced to buy an HD-DVD drive for your 360 in order to enjoy the FULL gaming experience, whereas you already get that with the basic PS3
 
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This is one hell of a deal. Its a good deal from a business standpoint AND a consumer standpoint. Most of the people bitching about the price tag are narrow minded, especially that gamer guy they quoted. His wallet wouldn't be crying if he took a basic economics class in high school. Think of the 360 as an Audi S4. That car is worth $40,000. Think of the PS3 as a BMW M3, which is worth around $50,000. They're both fast, sporty, banter new technologies, but the M3 is faster, has more cutting edge technology, is more reliable, and is much cheaper than any other car alternative to match or even beat it's speed and features. And since you can afford an S4, you probably have no problem spending an extra $10k to buy the M3. Therefore, if you can afford to spend $400, you can dish out $200 more.

Now lets approach this from a different standpoint. You might argue, "yeah, the core system is only $300." Say you do get the core system of the 360. You'll end up wasting at least 200-400 more in hardware upgrades to 1) play original xbox games, 2) save games, 3) play onlive via XBox Live Gold, 4) use voice chat in XBox Live, 5) buy the HD-DVD drive that Microsoft graciously will sell seperately later on this year so you can play even higher quality, more complex, and detailed games that will be coming out. Whereas with the PS3, you get all that built in with its basic system. All you're missing is wi-fi, a memory card reader, and HDMI, and of course, a bigger hard drive. Wi-Fi you can live without (as you've been living without it for the past (insert your age here) years when it comes to consoles. A memory card reader you can also live without, unless you have this huge urge to tarnsfer stuff between your PC and PS3 all the time, or maybe just take a saved game over to a friends house and play there (which doesn't make much sense, but anyway). HDMI is still many years away. It hasn't even made a dent in the TV market yet, and there really is no difference to the naked eye between HD and HDMI.

So, for $400 you can either get the loaded XBox 360 or the basic PS3. Just remember, that you will end up paying just as much as the bigger PS3 version in the end because you will be forced to buy an HD-DVD drive for your 360 in order to enjoy the FULL gaming experience, whereas you already get that with the basic PS3
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Two things wrong with the argument:

1. Therefore, if you can afford to spend $400, you can dish out $200 more.

Is not true at all

2. So, for $400 you can either get the loaded XBox 360 or the basic PS3.

Basic PS3 is going to sell for $500 not $400, but how much is the XBox's HD-DVD thingy going to cost?

Sorry, I don't see the $600 PS3 flying off the shelves (after the initial burst is over with...the folks who are pre-ordering are going to pre-order no matter what the cost just to say they had it first). I don't think you can justify to a consumer a 50% or 200% increase in cost for one console over another.
 
Standalone Blu-Ray players are $1000. you might as well get a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player even if you don't like games. HD-DVD players should have a similar price tag. I'm being EXTREMELY generous when i say the addon will be around $200. You'll end up spending as much for your 360 as you will for a high-end PS3, maybe more. Not to mention HD-DVD will be obsolete. You'll be wasting all that money for the addon drive to find out that BluRay becomes the new industry standard for High Def DVDs. HD-DVD fits 15-25GB, BluRay fits 20-50GB. PS3 is one hell of an investment. 360 is good if you only care about short term
 
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Standalone Blu-Ray players are $1000. you might as well get a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player even if you don't like games. HD-DVD players should have a similar price tag. I'm being EXTREMELY generous when i say the addon will be around $200. You'll end up spending as much for your 360 as you will for a high-end PS3, maybe more. Not to mention HD-DVD will be obsolete. You'll be wasting all that money for the addon drive to find out that BluRay becomes the new industry standard for High Def DVDs. HD-DVD fits 15-25GB, BluRay fits 20-50GB. PS3 is one hell of an investment. 360 is good if you only care about short term
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That is assuming I want a sub-par blue-ray player coupled with a console system, where as I can probably get other gaming systems and a better quality blue-ray player for cheaper in the long run, no?
 
You're only assuming it'll be sub-par. No units exist for review as yet.

If you're 14 and have a ps3 on your christmas list though, is it really the blue-ray shit you're concerned with? Or do you just want the hot new thing with the games? That release date's no accident. The price alone is what's going to kill its sales at christmas if it has to fight with the Wii. It doesn't matter what you *get* for the price, its just the price. Dig? Parents aren't gonna research their adolescent kids toys, they're just gonna spend. Less. Cheap motherfuckers...
 
sold my original xbox and all my games dont think ill be playin consoles anymore, just not into it
 
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You're only assuming it'll be sub-par. No units exist for review as yet.

If you're 14 and have a ps3 on your christmas list though, is it really the blue-ray shit you're concerned with? Or do you just want the hot new thing with the games? That release date's no accident. The price alone is what's going to kill its sales at christmas if it has to fight with the Wii. It doesn't matter what you *get* for the price, its just the price. Dig? Parents aren't gonna research their adolescent kids toys, they're just gonna spend. Less. Cheap motherfuckers...
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Considering it will be one of the first mass produced Blue-Ray readers out to a market like this, I think I can safely assume that it will be considered sub-par within a year. Much like the DVD player in the PS2 was.

On your 2nd paragraph, I dunno, I think consoles might be marketing for an older demographic now-a-days. Otherwise, yeah, the parents are gonna look at the price and say fuck PS3, I rather buy them two consoles (Wii & XBox) for the same price.

Regardless, Sony is going to really have to market this thing out their ass to convince people to pay 50% or 200% more for their console as opposed to the other two.
 
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Considering it will be one of the first mass produced Blue-Ray readers out to a market like this, I think I can safely assume that it will be considered sub-par within a year. Much like the DVD player in the PS2 was.

On your 2nd paragraph, I dunno, I think consoles might be marketing for an older demographic now-a-days. Otherwise, yeah, the parents are gonna look at the price and say fuck PS3, I rather buy them two consoles (Wii & XBox) for the same price.

Regardless, Sony is going to really have to market this thing out their ass to convince people to pay 50% or 200% more for their console as opposed to the other two.
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Yeah everyone was always bragging about how great it is to have the dvd player along with the ps2, and yeah, I used it for dvd's a ton, but when it came down to it, it was a horrible player. It can barely play through small finger prints, and don't even try a dvd with a scratch (put it in a normal dvd player and you can't even tell). I mean yeah blue-ray might be cool, but if your buying it because you want a blue-ray reader, then you really need to not buy it and just go out and get a normal blue-ray
 
You'd think Sony would learn from their mistake of the past, I don't think they're going to make the same mistake twice. The BluRay player in the PS3 won't have the same problems as the DVD player in the PS2. Remember, BluRay is SONY's technology. They make it and manipulate it any way they like. Like Sony's CEO said, Sony has all the resources in its house. I think they'll have a strong foothold on the BluRay player to make sure it won't have the issues the DVD player in the PS2 had
 
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