Someone do my term paper for me

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 6 2005, 02:45 PM) [snapback]6168[/snapback][/center]

Militray law (from someone that WAS in the military) states that an armed civilian is no longer a civilian. the reason they are guilty is because they were POWs.
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Techinically it is uniformed is considered army and hence covered under POW. But once a army figher has been disarmed he/she is considered under the Geneva Convention. Long and short is the victor rights the history books.

 

[Shaggz1297]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LilHammie @ Dec 7 2005, 05:53 AM) [snapback]6195[/snapback][/center]

According to the records I did my paper on they were shot for having firearms in the village and being said to be helping the viet kong... I got a good grade on my paper too...

And from what I know from my entire family being in the military is you are suppose to confront a civilian in a non aggressive statis until he/she has shown a necessary means to use lethal force.
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very true. but if they had a pistol in there hands, wouldnt that mean they could or be willing to use leathel force. and the military only has to warn someone once. "Stop" is more then a warning from a guy with a really big gun

 

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LilHammie @ Dec 6 2005, 02:53 PM) [snapback]6195[/snapback][/center]

According to the records I did my paper on they were shot for having firearms in the village and being said to be helping the viet kong... I got a good grade on my paper too...

And from what I know from my entire family being in the military is you are suppose to confront a civilian in a non aggressive statis until he/she has shown a necessary means to use lethal force.
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Your first part is a mere judgement call. Having caches of weapons that already have been secured means the threat has been neutralized. In military, to use deadly force there must be an immediate threat not someday the weapons could kill a soldier. Meaning where any of them armed or made any threatening moves after the weapons were secured? Let me boil down what happened. A bunch of people pissed that some of their friends died because of viet cong wanted some payback. Natural emotional response of revenge. But what seperates us from animals is the abilities to suppress those responses.

 

[Shaggz1297]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 7 2005, 05:50 AM) [snapback]6186[/snapback][/center]

You will find that most people convicted of war crimes and tried by their own government tend to get off light. Fact of the matter another countries dead isn't as valuable as one of our own. Notice the Tsunami vs the katrina. what like 1500 americans died vs 200k 3rd world people?
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2100 americans dead in Iraq
but when was the last time you heard a number of their dead?
and every earthquake, tsunami, etc in another country, you alwasy hear about the 1 american missing for weeks, but hardly a mention the 1000+ Asians killed

 

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 6 2005, 02:58 PM) [snapback]6212[/snapback][/center]

2100 americans dead in Iraq
but when was the last time you heard a number of their dead?
and every earthquake, tsunami, etc in another country, you alwasy hear about the 1 american missing for weeks, but hardly a mention the 1000+ Asians killed
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Well you have to understand. We are trying to win a war and we use propaganda. Our premise is now that we are trying to force democracy on another country (our democracy can you imagine if iran friendly shites won and Iraq became another Iran?) My problem is we are using the white robe we are the champions of democracy when we are doing the things that we hate other countries for. My issue is if you are going to fight a war don't pretend you drop nice bombs. War is hell and an ugly business. And another thing we are just hearing about the dead. No count on our american injuried. I come from a long line of military family members. The walking wounded, the ones missing legs etc and are mentally wounded are sometimes far worse than the ones that died.

 

[Zampy]

great debate i started

 

[Tiveria]

Here's an idea for your paper Zampy:

The thoughts and opinions from countless Americans across the country. Then do it up like an interview and post the back and forth between Shaggz and El-D.

 

[Zampy]

wish i could, but the term paper statement explicitly states i need to use documentation from the book, citing quotes, and determine my own conviction

 

[Shaggz1297]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 7 2005, 06:04 AM) [snapback]6223[/snapback][/center]

Well you have to understand. We are trying to win a war and we use propaganda. Our premise is now that we are trying to force democracy on another country (our democracy can you imagine if iran friendly shites won and Iraq became another Iran?) My problem is we are using the white robe we are the champions of democracy when we are doing the things that we hate other countries for. My issue is if you are going to fight a war don't pretend you drop nice bombs. War is hell and an ugly business. And another thing we are just hearing about the dead. No count on our american injuried. I come from a long line of military family members. The walking wounded, the ones missing legs etc and are mentally wounded are sometimes far worse than the ones that died.

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so very true. I agree completely. Noone can be held without trail, except if they arent talking right. Noone should be tortured, unless its at a secret base in a differnt country....

 

[Tiveria]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zampy @ Dec 6 2005, 03:08 PM) [snapback]6232[/snapback][/center]

wish i could, but the term paper statement explicitly states i need to use documentation from the book, citing quotes, and determine my own conviction
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awww...I hate non-creative minded profs.

 

[Zampy]

ok, closing forums until this damned acursed thing is finished

 

[LilHammie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 7 2005, 05:58 AM) [snapback]6209[/snapback][/center]

Your first part is a mere judgement call. Having caches of weapons that already have been secured means the threat has been neutralized. In military, to use deadly force there must be an immediate threat not someday the weapons could kill a soldier. Meaning where any of them armed or made any threatening moves after the weapons were secured? Let me boil down what happened. A bunch of people pissed that some of their friends died because of viet cong wanted some payback. Natural emotional response of revenge. But what seperates us from animals is the abilities to suppress those responses.
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True, but I based my paper on the events leading up to the village massacre. The trip through the rice swamps and he chase of the Viet Cong through the Quang Kgai province. And according to military documents the intelligence sent back to Charlie Company said that the village of My Lai 4 was housing and helping VC.

I do agree with you that it was a massacre of some pissed of soldiers who wanted payback for their buddies and family members that were killed. But I made an argumented statement that what they did even though it was a military crime was still backed up by intelligence therefore making it a rightful attack. But then again, I like to argue

 

[Leeloo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiveria @ Dec 7 2005, 06:09 AM) [snapback]6236[/snapback][/center]

awww...I hate non-creative minded profs.
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Allready told him to do the paper as intended, then go out get another source to contradict/confirm the PoWs of the book would bring a bit more creativity to it, but since it's due tomorrow the goof doesn't have time for that :blink:

 

[Tiveria]

If it was me, I'd write it from either the PoV of the soldiers or the PoV of the PoW's. Either way it'd be dark. Hrm. I wonder if he did it in another language, if he'd get extra credit.

 

[LilHammie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiveria @ Dec 7 2005, 06:31 AM) [snapback]6263[/snapback][/center]

If it was me, I'd write it from either the PoV of the soldiers or the PoV of the PoW's. Either way it'd be dark. Hrm. I wonder if he did it in another language, if he'd get extra credit.
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If the professor didn't know Vietnamese, I'm sure it'd just piss him off.

 

[Leeloo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiveria @ Dec 7 2005, 06:31 AM) [snapback]6263[/snapback][/center]

If it was me, I'd write it from either the PoV of the soldiers or the PoV of the PoW's. Either way it'd be dark. Hrm. I wonder if he did it in another language, if he'd get extra credit.
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I could so translate it to danish for him

 

[Tiveria]

Ah...that makes me understand why some of my teachers always glared at me.

 

[Leeloo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiveria @ Dec 7 2005, 06:34 AM) [snapback]6268[/snapback][/center]

Ah...that makes me understand why some of my teachers always glared at me.
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but I don't

explain

 

[jandore]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LilHammie @ Dec 6 2005, 02:53 PM) [snapback]6195[/snapback][/center]

According to the records I did my paper on they were shot for having firearms in the village and being said to be helping the viet kong... I got a good grade on my paper too...

And from what I know from my entire family being in the military is you are suppose to confront a civilian in a non aggressive statis until he/she has shown a necessary means to use lethal force.
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Not true at allt he vilalgers in My Lai or " pinkville" were found with only three rifles and 10 hand grenades. Witnesses tha t were member of Calley's platton said he had ordered them lined up and executed. And although Calley himself was given orders Lt. Col. Barker to eradicate the Viet Cong threat in My Lai Lt. Calley wa sthe one that carried out the order in an illegal fashion.

Also the fact that it took a private investigation doen by Ron Ridenhour inorder touncover the facts that the armys officail report had covered up gives some indicationt aht indeed something had gone awry there.

As for the trial meadlo's testimony on cally's actions and words were pretty damning. Though yes the random act of testifying after given immunity was somewhat interestign and that fact tha t Cally's defense was ....lackin to say the least. His lead attorney was infact 70 years old incoherent and though at one time lattimer was a star int he military court arena he wa s way past his prime.

What has come out of the incident of MyLai is tha t the army now trains new recruits in the "Rules of War" and gives a greater gap between what is a combatatn and what is a noncombatant. Maybe cally was a scapegoat for the lack of training but he wa s at the lead of that platoon and as a leader of men is responsible for thier actions.

 

[LilHammie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jandore @ Dec 7 2005, 06:41 AM) [snapback]6272[/snapback][/center]

Not true at allt he vilalgers in My Lai or " pinkville" were found with only three rifles and 10 hand grenades. Witnesses tha t were member of Calley's platton said he had ordered them lined up and executed. And although Calley himself was given orders Lt. Col. Barker to eradicate the Viet Cong threat in My Lai Lt. Calley wa sthe one that carried out the order in an illegal fashion.

Also the fact that it took a private investigation doen by Ron Ridenhour inorder touncover the facts that the armys officail report had covered up gives some indicationt aht indeed something had gone awry there.

As for the trial meadlo's testimony on cally's actions and words were pretty damning. Though yes the random act of testifying after given immunity was somewhat interestign and that fact tha t Cally's defense was ....lackin to say the least. His lead attorney was infact 70 years old incoherent and though at one time lattimer was a star int he military court arena he wa s way past his prime.

What has come out of the incident of MyLai is tha t the army now trains new recruits in the "Rules of War" and gives a greater gap between what is a combatatn and what is a noncombatant. Maybe cally was a scapegoat for the lack of training but he wa s at the lead of that platoon and as a leader of men is responsible for thier actions.
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The intelligence given to Charlie Company before the attack was shown that it was a housing station for VC, thats military document... I know, I just looked it up and showed it to Zampy... They were massacred but the intelligence given to them prior to the attack showed it was a "hot zone". When they arrived the helicopter they were in fired on the village when the soldier got to the ground it was known that it was not a VC housing station and the murder continued. Point is, they were told by US Military intelligence that it was a hot zone...