Scientists figure out our place in Milky Way

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Scientists figure out our place in Milky Way
Triangulation yields a distance to our galaxy?s nearest spiral arm

By Bjorn Carey
Space.com
Updated: 5:02 p.m. ET Dec. 8, 2005


Astronomers can provide detailed images of beautifully swirling galaxies millions of miles away. It?s our own galaxy they haven?t been able to get their arms around.

?It?s clear that the Milky Way has a structure like those, but it?s hard to tell being in it,? said Mark Reid of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

Now, a team of astronomers has taken an important step toward mapping the Milky Way by accurately measuring the distance to the star-forming region W3OH in the Perseus spiral arm, the nearest arm to us. This long strand of stars streaks out of the Milky Way?s disk in the same manner as others seen in galaxies across the universe.

Until now scientists had difficulties figuring just how far away spiral arms are, and various measurements and techniques had discrepancies ranging by a factor of two.

The new results are from a telescope nearly the size of Earth. The astronomers used the Very Long Baseline Array, taking observations from several telescopes stretching from Hawaii to the Virgin Islands, to create the resolution of a telescope nearly 5,000 miles (8,000 kilometers) in diameter.

?We have established that the radio telescope we used, the Very Long Baseline Array, can measure distances with unprecedented accuracy ? nearly a factor of 100 times better than previously accomplished,? Reid said.

In doing so, they determined that W3OH is 1.95 ? 0.04 kiloparsecs away. That?s about 36,000,000,000,000,000 miles.

Although the VLBA has extremely high resolution, the source objects need to be very bright and compact. Spiral arms are just that ? bright clouds of star-forming gas. In particular, this team focused in on a cloud of methyl alcohol surrounding a newly formed star.

?We measured distance by the simplest and most direct method in astronomy ? essentially the technique used by surveyors called triangulation,? said team member Xu Ye.

This technique, also known as parallax, comes straight out of a high-school geometry textbook. In this case, the researchers used the changing vantage point from Earth as it orbits the sun to form one leg of the triangle. Then, they calculated the star?s distance by measuring the change in its position as Earth orbits the sun.

The astronomers found that this young star is actually moving around the Milky Way in an orbit that is about 10 percent off from being circular. It appears to rotate slower than other stars in circular orbits and is falling toward the center of the Milky Way.

Although scientists don?t really understand the details of spiral arm formation, these observations support the ?spiral density-wave theory.? This theory suggests that a combination of gravitational instabilities and shear forces ? a result of the outer edge of the galaxy moving slower than the inner ? causes material to cluster and eventually shoot off in an arm.

The researchers are now shifting the VLBA?s gaze toward three other spiral arms, where they will look at about a dozen star-forming areas similar to W3OH.

This research is detailed Thursday in the online version of the journal Science.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ianril @ Dec 9 2005, 04:23 AM) [snapback]7938[/snapback][/center]
I love space stuff, but it always makes me feel like dust.
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tell me about it
nothing quite like it lets ya know how small and insignificant you are in comparison to it all :(
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 10 2005, 03:37 AM) [snapback]8140[/snapback][/center]
I always thought of myself as dark matter.
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Nah, you're just a big fat ass.
 
Scientists figure out our place in Milky Way

and the findings are that ALL ladys should show off there boobies.....

Dam I am good

DrewPA
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nivekella @ Dec 9 2005, 07:30 PM) [snapback]7940[/snapback][/center]
tell me about it
nothing quite like it lets ya know how small and insignificant you are in comparison to it all :(
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I don't feel the same way. Whenever I see those programs about space, I know there will be more to explore. Interesting things to discover, from our point of view of course. :D
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Artica @ Dec 10 2005, 03:48 AM) [snapback]8149[/snapback][/center]
I don't feel the same way. Whenever I see those programs about space, I know there will be more to explore. Interesting things to discover, from our point of view of course. :D
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every time i see those i think about how its bullshit to say that we are alone in the universe. I mean, we are seeing stars, planets, etc etc from places like 10, 20, enen 100+ light years away. now in theroy, we would see those images as they were, IE we see those place 40 billion light yrs away as they appeared 40 billion yrs ago. now if Earth is only 4.5 billion yrs old, how much do think those places have changed in the last 40 billion? Now im not saying we get visitor at all, or that we dont, but dont ou think its safe to say at least 1 planet out there millions or billions light years away doesnt have its own lifeforms growing?
And if you want to get into religion, wouldnt it be a bet to say that the lord might have felt like he fail with this attempt and triedto create the "perfect" world, which would never be able to be in contact with the "imperfect"?
And the other thing it says to me is that alot of people on this earth (not anyone here persay) have a very very narrow veiw of the universe.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 10 2005, 03:55 AM) [snapback]8154[/snapback][/center]
every time i see those i think about how its bullshit to say that we are alone in the universe. I mean, we are seeing stars, planets, etc etc from places like 10, 20, enen 100+ light years away. now in theroy, we would see those images as they were, IE we see those place 40 billion light yrs away as they appeared 40 billion yrs ago. now if Earth is only 4.5 billion yrs old, how much do think those places have changed in the last 40 billion? Now im not saying we get visitor at all, or that we dont, but dont ou think its safe to say at least 1 planet out there millions or billions light years away doesnt have its own lifeforms growing?
And if you want to get into religion, wouldnt it be a bet to say that the lord might have felt like he fail with this attempt and triedto create the "perfect" world, which would never be able to be in contact with the "imperfect"?
And the other thing it says to me is that alot of people on this earth (not anyone here persay) have a very very narrow veiw of the universe.
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To paraphrase Sagan:

"If we are all alone, what a terrible waste of space that would be". :)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 10 2005, 03:55 AM) [snapback]8154[/snapback][/center]
every time i see those i think about how its bullshit to say that we are alone in the universe. I mean, we are seeing stars, planets, etc etc from places like 10, 20, enen 100+ light years away. now in theroy, we would see those images as they were, IE we see those place 40 billion light yrs away as they appeared 40 billion yrs ago. now if Earth is only 4.5 billion yrs old, how much do think those places have changed in the last 40 billion? Now im not saying we get visitor at all, or that we dont, but dont ou think its safe to say at least 1 planet out there millions or billions light years away doesnt have its own lifeforms growing?
And if you want to get into religion, wouldnt it be a bet to say that the lord might have felt like he fail with this attempt and triedto create the "perfect" world, which would never be able to be in contact with the "imperfect"?
And the other thing it says to me is that alot of people on this earth (not anyone here persay) have a very very narrow veiw of the universe.
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Sorry I couldn't resist!

You might have another you out there. :lol:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Dec 10 2005, 04:02 AM) [snapback]8160[/snapback][/center]
i love your space/tech reports niv :)
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Interesting they are! :blink:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Artica @ Dec 10 2005, 03:59 AM) [snapback]8159[/snapback][/center]
Sorry I couldn't resist!

You might have another you out there. :lol:
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ROFL
could you imagine if both of us were on these forums?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 10 2005, 04:40 AM) [snapback]8213[/snapback][/center]
who knows maybe my Universe Twin likes the penis
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Are you thinking of going that way too? :P

I know.... is mean :blink:
 
this one time on Real Sex on HBO they showed clips from weird pornos, and one was of a woman fantasizing of a guy with two penises. it was funny
 
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