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Air marshal fatally shoots man at Miami airport
Sources say 44-year-old U.S. man claimed to have bomb in his carry-on

NBC News and news services
Updated: 8:39 p.m. ET Dec. 7, 2005


MIAMI - An agitated passenger who claimed to have a bomb in his backpack was shot and killed by a federal air marshal Wednesday after he bolted frantically from a jetliner that was boarding for take off, officials said. No bomb was found.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Doyle said the dead passenger was a 44-year-old U.S. citizen. NBC News? Pete Williams said an official identified the man as Rigoberto Alpizar.

It was the first time since the Sept. 11 attacks that an air marshal had shot at a passenger or suspect, he said. A witness said that the man frantically ran down the aisle of the Boeing 757 and that a woman with him said he was mentally ill.

The passenger was confronted by air marshals but ran off the aircraft, Doyle said.

The marshals pursued and ordered the passenger to get on the ground, but the man did not comply and was shot when apparently reaching into the bag, Doyle said.

Flight 924, which originated in Quito, Ecuador, had arrived in Miami just after noon, and the shooting occurred shortly after 2 p.m. as the plane was about to take off for Orlando with the man and 119 other passengers and crew, American spokesman Tim Wagner said. Alpizar had arrived in Miami earlier in the day from Ecuador, authorities said.

After the shooting, investigators spread passengers? bags on the tarmac and let dogs sniff them for explosives, and bomb squad members blew up at least two bags.

NBC News confirmed that authorities searching the man?s carry-on backpack did not find a bomb.

Passenger Mary Gardner told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran down the aisle from the rear of the plane. ?He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air,? she said. She said a woman followed, shouting, ?My husband! My husband!?

NBC said the woman?s name was Ann Buechner, and the couple, who had been married for almost 20 years, lived in Maitland, Fla.

David Adams, a spokesman for the Federal Air Marshals, said in a press conference the air marshals asked the passenger twice to drop his bag and put his hands on his head.

?The air marshals discharged their weapons? when the man failed to comply with them a second time, Adams said.

Man reportedly bipolar
Gardner said she heard the woman say her husband was bipolar, a mental illness formerly known as manic-depression, and had not had his medication.

James Bauer, head of the Miami Federal Air Marshal field office, said the incident appears isolated. Air marshals were assigned to check for possible terrorist threats at airports throughout the country, but no threats were found.

?There is no nexus to terrorism,? Bauer said.

Federal officials declined to say how many times Alpizar was shot.

Relatives said Alpizar had been on a working vacation in Peru. A neighbor who said he had been asked to watch the couple?s home described the vacation as a missionary trip.

?We're all still in shock. We're just speechless,? said Kelley Beuchner, a sister-in-law.

Martin Gonzalez, spokesman for Colombia?s civil aviation agency, said the flight had ?left normally with no problems.?

Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., a senior member of the Homeland Security Committee, praised the air marshals? actions.

?Air marshals put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,? he said. ?Thanks to the efforts of an alert air marshal, an individual was prevented from causing a potentially dangerous situation on the American Airlines flight that could have harmed passengers and crew members.?

Air Marshals are trained to shoot to kill. They have the most stringent small-arms training standards among law enforcement agencies.

There were only 32 air marshals at the time of the Sept. 11 attacks. The Bush administration hired thousands more afterward, though the exact number is classified.

NBC News, MSNBC.com's Brock Meeks and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

? 2005 MSNBC.com
 
same thing happened here in the summer at a tube station
a man was asked to stop by the police but didnt
so they chased him got him on the floor and shot him in the back of his head

8 times

i am for the shoot 1st ask questions later stance our police have taken
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(scally666 @ Dec 8 2005, 04:58 PM) [snapback]7252[/snapback][/center]
same thing happened here in the summer at a tube station
a man was asked to stop by the police but didnt
so they chased him got him on the floor and shot him in the back of his head

8 times

i am for the shoot 1st ask questions later stance our police have taken

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QFMFE. i mean if someone with a gun says stop, that means stop! i dont feel bad, i mean with all the stuff going on in the world people aint going to take much chance.
OTOH, how many Al-queda guys do you see running down the street waving and screaming"I HAVE A BOMB ON MY CHEST". Um, i think that is ZERO. but if your that stupid to say you have a bomb, then run when guys with guns are coming at you, you deserve to get shot. probably not killed, but a flesh wound in the ass at least!
 
My personal opinion, is if the facts of the incident are indeed the facts of the case, then they were justified. He was given several warnings and made a hostile motion to a bag he claimed had a bomb in it. We are in a climate where terrorists have declared war on the US and will strike at us at any chance they get. In security, at least as far as military, we would of shot him too. In this climate we must error on the side of caution and in this case weighing between one person vs a 100+ people the answer is "easy". I know his wife was screaming he is bipolar and such but it is easy for us to monday morning quarterback sitting here and having time to think about it. The air marshalls had to make a split decision based on the facts they had. I feel bad that the guy was sick and didn't take his medicine but if his condition was so bad they should of had kept meds with him as if he would die without them. I also feel bad for the air marshall who killed they guy cause he has to live with this for the rest of his life. Killing a person is not easy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 9 2005, 08:54 AM) [snapback]7655[/snapback][/center]
. I feel bad that the guy was sick and didn't take his medicine but if his condition was so bad they should of had kept meds with him as if he would die without them. I also feel bad for the air marshall who killed they guy cause he has to live with this for the rest of his life. Killing a person is not easy.
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El you never seace to amaze me. but just one thing I must correct- its not "easy" to kill someone, but its very very hard to kill someone and then find out they werent guilty of what they were saying/doing. The guard did what he HAD to do, point blank. and like you said, if his condition was THAT bad, then why didnt they make sure he had or taken his meds??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 8 2005, 05:58 PM) [snapback]7662[/snapback][/center]
El you never seace to amaze me. but just one thing I must correct- its not "easy" to kill someone, but its very very hard to kill someone and then find out they werent guilty of what they were saying/doing. The guard did what he HAD to do, point blank. and like you said, if his condition was THAT bad, then why didnt they make sure he had or taken his meds??
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I totally understand and my point was it is very hard to kill someone but to be in law enforcement/military you hesitate, you can die. Some people are "better" at making split decisions some are not.
 
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I totally understand and my point was it is very hard to kill someone but to be in law enforcement/military you hesitate, you can die. Some people are "better" at making split decisions some are not.

It sucks but IMO i think they did the right thing. If that person had a bomb he could have set it of and killed a lot of people around him.

The people that had to fire there service weapon did so to protect the others around them.It is not a easy thing to take a life of a person but some times you do what has to be done and you can not delay when that task is at hand. I take my hat off to them for acting and doing the right thing from what I have read and heard on the radio and tv. I do not like to see anyone die and it makes me sad when people do die but if one person has to die so other will be safe I have no problem with that as long as the people pulling the tigger are correct to do so.

Deadly force is that force witch a person used to cause death or serious bodily harm.
Deadly force is justified only as a last resort when all other means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed

DrewPA
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Artica @ Dec 8 2005, 06:23 PM) [snapback]7681[/snapback][/center]
I agree with El-D on this one.
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I like it when you post these articles cause I like intelligent real world debates.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 9 2005, 09:56 AM) [snapback]7697[/snapback][/center]
I like it when you post these articles cause I like intelligent real world debates.
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I didn't post it. :mellow:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Dec 9 2005, 09:56 AM) [snapback]7697[/snapback][/center]
I like it when you post these articles cause I like intelligent real world debates.
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well el-d, youre good at it. and truefully im amazed at how well, um this sounds weird, but how well you can truelly word yourself.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shaggz1297 @ Dec 9 2005, 10:25 AM) [snapback]7710[/snapback][/center]
well el-d, youre good at it. and truefully im amazed at how well, um this sounds weird, but how well you can truelly word yourself.
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Bea is already on his cock, no room for you :P
 
was the marshall justified in shooting the passenger yes ..

now should the passenger ever had made it through airport security after repeated complaints about his activities on his previous flight ? no and thats where the system failed on this one..another one of those "screw it pass him on to the next flight hes their problem now besides its my break time " scenarios
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Artica @ Dec 8 2005, 06:59 PM) [snapback]7702[/snapback][/center]
I didn't post it. :mellow:
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rofl I meant niv. And ty I has always been told that either a comedian or diplomat should be my career paths lol.
 
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